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p.o.roussel
Hi all,

I updated packages for sid (amd64), trusty (amd64) and wheezy (i386
and amd64). Packages are built with the available clang and libobjc2
(called libobjcgs).

Please note that I haven't tested any of this yet.

Packages list (some may be missing):
 * gnustep-{make,base,gui,back} and related dev packages
 * gdl2
 * easydiff
 * edenmath
 * pantomime
 * gnumail
 * gorm
 * projectcenter
 * gworkspace
 * gnustep-examples
 * laternamagica
 * lusernet
 * notebook
 * poe
 * terminal
 * textedit
 * systempreferences
 * vindaloo (with iconkit and popplerkit from Etoile)
 * waiho
 * renaissance
 * zipper
 * helpviewer
 * cynthiune
 * dbuskit
 * addressmanager
 * agenda
 * fisicalab
 * performance
 * rsskit
 * grr
 * price

Everything is under the following url :

http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/

For example, for trusty amd64 you can add to sources.list :

deb http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/trusty/amd64/ ./

Please let me know if you find this useful, if a package is broken, if
you would like to add another package to the list etc.

Thanks,
Philippe
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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

Ivan Vučica-2
Do you have documentation/scripts for your build process?

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:14 PM Philippe Roussel <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi all,

I updated packages for sid (amd64), trusty (amd64) and wheezy (i386
and amd64). Packages are built with the available clang and libobjc2
(called libobjcgs).

Please note that I haven't tested any of this yet.

Packages list (some may be missing):
 * gnustep-{make,base,gui,back} and related dev packages
 * gdl2
 * easydiff
 * edenmath
 * pantomime
 * gnumail
 * gorm
 * projectcenter
 * gworkspace
 * gnustep-examples
 * laternamagica
 * lusernet
 * notebook
 * poe
 * terminal
 * textedit
 * systempreferences
 * vindaloo (with iconkit and popplerkit from Etoile)
 * waiho
 * renaissance
 * zipper
 * helpviewer
 * cynthiune
 * dbuskit
 * addressmanager
 * agenda
 * fisicalab
 * performance
 * rsskit
 * grr
 * price

Everything is under the following url :

http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/

For example, for trusty amd64 you can add to sources.list :

deb http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/trusty/amd64/ ./

Please let me know if you find this useful, if a package is broken, if
you would like to add another package to the list etc.

Thanks,
Philippe
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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

p.o.roussel
On Wed, Jun 03, 2015 at 03:15:16PM +0000, Ivan Vučica wrote:
> Do you have documentation/scripts for your build process?

I have some ugly scripts and a Makefile but the build itself is done
using pbuilder. I'm using source files checked out from the different
repositories with debian/ folders added, not source packages.

If you're interested I can send you the stuff I have but you've been
warned, it's ugly !

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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

Svetlana Tkachenko-3
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Thanks. Would like to add netclasses and talksoup.

Svetlana

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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

Svetlana Tkachenko-3
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Oh, and my understanding is that Debian's gnustep-* packages are compiled using gcc. Am I wrong? If not, then how may this valuable set of packages compiled with clang be put into the main Debian repositories?

Svetlana

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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

alex
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Hello, nice work!

In the repo links you posted, I don’t see vindaloo and popplerkit, I just see iconkit.

Do you used clang for the build process?

Il giorno 03/giu/2015, alle ore 13:14, Philippe Roussel <[hidden email]> ha scritto:

Hi all,

I updated packages for sid (amd64), trusty (amd64) and wheezy (i386
and amd64). Packages are built with the available clang and libobjc2
(called libobjcgs).

Please note that I haven't tested any of this yet.

Packages list (some may be missing):
* gnustep-{make,base,gui,back} and related dev packages
* gdl2
* easydiff
* edenmath
* pantomime
* gnumail
* gorm
* projectcenter
* gworkspace
* gnustep-examples
* laternamagica
* lusernet
* notebook
* poe
* terminal
* textedit
* systempreferences
* vindaloo (with iconkit and popplerkit from Etoile)
* waiho
* renaissance
* zipper
* helpviewer
* cynthiune
* dbuskit
* addressmanager
* agenda
* fisicalab
* performance
* rsskit
* grr
* price

Everything is under the following url :

http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/

For example, for trusty amd64 you can add to sources.list :

deb http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/trusty/amd64/ ./

Please let me know if you find this useful, if a package is broken, if
you would like to add another package to the list etc.

Thanks,
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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

p.o.roussel
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On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 05:09:38PM +1000, Svetlana A. Tkachenko wrote:
> Thanks. Would like to add netclasses and talksoup.

Will do if possible.

Thanks,
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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

p.o.roussel
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On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 09:36:16AM +0200, Alessandro Sangiuliano wrote:
> Hello, nice work!

Thanks !

> In the repo links you posted, I don’t see vindaloo and popplerkit, I just see iconkit.

Yep, I had to disable those two for some architectures because of a
compilation error of popplerkit with recent versions of poppler.

> Do you used clang for the build process?

See below.

> > Il giorno 03/giu/2015, alle ore 13:14, Philippe Roussel <[hidden email]> ha scritto:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I updated packages for sid (amd64), trusty (amd64) and wheezy (i386
> > and amd64). Packages are built with the available clang and libobjc2
> > (called libobjcgs).

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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

p.o.roussel
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On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 05:11:21PM +1000, Svetlana A. Tkachenko wrote:
> Oh, and my understanding is that Debian's gnustep-* packages are
> compiled using gcc. Am I wrong? If not, then how may this valuable set
> of packages compiled with clang be put into the main Debian
> repositories?  

You would have to wait for debian to switch to clang as official
compiler I think, and that could take a while :o)

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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

David Chisnall
On 4 Jun 2015, at 08:51, Philippe Roussel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 05:11:21PM +1000, Svetlana A. Tkachenko wrote:
>> Oh, and my understanding is that Debian's gnustep-* packages are
>> compiled using gcc. Am I wrong? If not, then how may this valuable set
>> of packages compiled with clang be put into the main Debian
>> repositories?  
>
> You would have to wait for debian to switch to clang as official
> compiler I think, and that could take a while :o)

Does Debian not have infrastructure for compiling some packages with different compilers?  What do they do about things like Sphinx that won’t build with a recent GCC?

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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

Riccardo Mottola-5
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Hi Philippe,

Philippe Roussel wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I updated packages for sid (amd64), trusty (amd64) and wheezy (i386
> and amd64). Packages are built with the available clang and libobjc2
> (called libobjcgs).

Thank you for the great work!

> Please note that I haven't tested any of this yet.
>
> Packages list (some may be missing):
>   * gnustep-{make,base,gui,back} and related dev packages
>   * gdl2
>   * easydiff
>   * edenmath
>   * pantomime
>   * gnumail
>   * gorm
>   * projectcenter
>   * gworkspace
>   * gnustep-examples
>   * laternamagica
>   * lusernet
>   * notebook
>   * poe
>   * terminal
>   * textedit
>   * systempreferences
>   * vindaloo (with iconkit and popplerkit from Etoile)
>   * waiho
>   * renaissance
>   * zipper
>   * helpviewer
>   * cynthiune
>   * dbuskit
>   * addressmanager
>   * agenda
>   * fisicalab
>   * performance
>   * rsskit
>   * grr
>   * price
>
> Everything is under the following url :
>
> http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/
>
> For example, for trusty amd64 you can add to sources.list :
>
> deb http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/trusty/amd64/ ./
>
> Please let me know if you find this useful, if a package is broken, if
> you would like to add another package to the list etc.
>

Perhaps adding BatMon.app for laptop users could be useful.

Did you have any troubles building or local patches to apply?

Riccardo

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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

p.o.roussel
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On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 11:07:09AM +0100, David Chisnall wrote:

> On 4 Jun 2015, at 08:51, Philippe Roussel <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 05:11:21PM +1000, Svetlana A. Tkachenko wrote:
> >> Oh, and my understanding is that Debian's gnustep-* packages are
> >> compiled using gcc. Am I wrong? If not, then how may this valuable set
> >> of packages compiled with clang be put into the main Debian
> >> repositories?  
> >
> > You would have to wait for debian to switch to clang as official
> > compiler I think, and that could take a while :o)
>
> Does Debian not have infrastructure for compiling some packages with
> different compilers?  What do they do about things like Sphinx that
> won’t build with a recent GCC?  

The truth is that I don't have a clue... They may have something like
that and it would be nice to know it. If someone have informations,
please share.

Philippe
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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

Ivan Vučica-2
o/ 

I've been toying with using Clang for building Debian packages back in November. Backstory of how I got there, for those interested, is below. So how did I go about it?
- install gcc and g++
- install clang-3.5 -- explicitly
- symlink all gcc-X.Y and g++-X.Y to clang and clang++, respectively
- symlink gcc and g++ to clang and clang++
- symlink clang and clang++ to clang-3.5 and clang++-3.5
- proceed with building the package
This is essentially a rework of the idea from http://clang.debian.net/. See [1].

Backstory.
This was part of investigation to have a way to spin up a Digital Ocean instance that would do nothing but build GNUstep Debian packages. One would collect the results and then destroy the instance. (The intended approach was to use Digital Ocean instances' 'user data', supplied when the instance is being spun up. This is nothing but a shell script.)

Yesterday I've been reworking that to work with Docker. I was going to announce this when it actually worked, but interested parties can take a look at [2].

The build currently breaks within gnustep-base. I have a patch from November for Source/Additions/GSObjCRuntime.m and Source/NSException.m, but it's hacky. Plus, I fear touching such low-level files. I'll eventually send this out for review, after I go once more through it, and after I rebase the patch on latest -base.


On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:52 AM Philippe Roussel <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 11:07:09AM +0100, David Chisnall wrote:
> On 4 Jun 2015, at 08:51, Philippe Roussel <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 05:11:21PM +1000, Svetlana A. Tkachenko wrote:
> >> Oh, and my understanding is that Debian's gnustep-* packages are
> >> compiled using gcc. Am I wrong? If not, then how may this valuable set
> >> of packages compiled with clang be put into the main Debian
> >> repositories?
> >
> > You would have to wait for debian to switch to clang as official
> > compiler I think, and that could take a while :o)
>
> Does Debian not have infrastructure for compiling some packages with
> different compilers?  What do they do about things like Sphinx that
> won’t build with a recent GCC?

The truth is that I don't have a clue... They may have something like
that and it would be nice to know it. If someone have informations,
please share.

Philippe
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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

p.o.roussel
On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 11:15:41AM +0000, Ivan Vučica wrote:
>
> The build currently breaks within gnustep-base. I have a patch from
> November for Source/Additions/GSObjCRuntime.m and Source/NSException.m, but
> it's hacky. Plus, I fear touching such low-level files. I'll eventually
> send this out for review, after I go once more through it, and after I
> rebase the patch on latest -base.

On recent distributions I had to remove the objc/ include folder
coming from gcc for gnustep-base to compile otherwise it correctly
found libobjc2 but used gcc's libobjc headers. I guess something could
be done on gnustep-base makefile but I didn't take the time to check.

What does your patch look like ?

Philippe

ps : nice work on your build system
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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

p.o.roussel
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Hi,

On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 12:15:03PM +0200, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
>
> Perhaps adding BatMon.app for laptop users could be useful.

Ok, I can try and see if it builds without problem.

> Did you have any troubles building or local patches to apply?

Not sure, I would have to check all packages.

I know PopplerKit doesn't compile with recent poppler lib so I
disabled it but maybe I haven't refreshed its sources correctly, I'll
take a look.

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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

Ivan Vučica-2
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On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 12:48 PM Philippe Roussel <[hidden email]> wrote:
On recent distributions I had to remove the objc/ include folder
coming from gcc for gnustep-base to compile otherwise it correctly
found libobjc2 but used gcc's libobjc headers. I guess something could
be done on gnustep-base makefile but I didn't take the time to check.

That makes sense. It sounds like what I tried to work around (but it was back in November, and at 1am I was rather too tired to resume investigation).

So this sounds like a good advice. I'll try moving GCC's Objective-C runtime away, or fixing the header search path in [1].
 


What does your patch look like ?


November ivucica accompanied the patch with the following note, so I assume the patch is actually broken:
#### ADDING RUNTIME.H DIDNT HELP FOR SOME REASON
# Maybe HAVE_OBJC_RUNTIME_H is not defined?! Maybe config.h must be 
# included?

I'll know more after I take another look.

Index: Source/Additions/GSObjCRuntime.m
===================================================================
--- Source/Additions/GSObjCRuntime.m    (revision 38165)
+++ Source/Additions/GSObjCRuntime.m    (working copy)
@@ -49,6 +49,10 @@
 
 #import "../GSPrivate.h"
 
+#if HAVE_OBJC_RUNTIME_H
+#include <objc/runtime.h> /* needed for GNUstep's libobjc2 to be detected through __GNUSTEP_RUNTIME__ */
+#endif
+
 #include <objc/Protocol.h>
 
 #include <stdio.h>
@@ -156,10 +160,10 @@
 {
 #if NeXT_RUNTIME
   return sel_getUid(name);
+#elif defined (__GNUSTEP_RUNTIME__)
+  return sel_registerTypedName_np(name, types);
 #elif defined (__GNU_LIBOBJC__) && (__GNU_LIBOBJC__ >= 20110608)
   return sel_registerTypedName(name, types);
-#elif defined (__GNUSTEP_RUNTIME__)
-  return sel_registerTypedName_np(name, types);
 #else
 extern SEL sel_get_any_typed_uid(const char*);
 extern SEL sel_get_typed_uid(const char*, const char*);
@@ -203,10 +207,10 @@
 {
 #if NeXT_RUNTIME
   return 0;
+#elif defined (__GNUSTEP_RUNTIME__)
+  return sel_getType_np(sel);
 #elif defined (__GNU_LIBOBJC__)
   return sel_getTypeEncoding(sel);
-#elif defined (__GNUSTEP_RUNTIME__)
-  return sel_getType_np(sel);
 #else
   if (sel == 0)
     {
Index: Source/NSException.m
===================================================================
--- Source/NSException.m        (revision 38165)
+++ Source/NSException.m        (working copy)
@@ -47,6 +47,10 @@
 #include <objc/objc-exception.h>
 #endif
 
+#ifdef HAVE_UNEXPECTED
+extern void (*_objc_unexpected_exception)(id);
+#endif
+
 #ifdef HAVE_MALLOC_H
 #if !defined(__OpenBSD__)
 #include <malloc.h>

ps : nice work on your build system

Merci beaucoup! :-)

Thank you for your work on packages that actually build properly :-)

n.b. If this build system actually starts to work (it used to work, but IIRC not with Clang), producing packages for additional applications involves providing a .spec file, including Master/deb.make from gnustep-make into GNUmakefile, and running: 
  make debfiles && make deb

Afterwards, pushing source packages to Launchpad (so they can be built by Canonical into binaries for PPAs) will involve something similar to:
  dput ppa:your-launchpad-username/your-launchpad-repository build/gnustep/core/{make,base/obj,gui/obj,back/obj}/debian_dist/*_source.changes

But, it needs to actually work first... :-)

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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

Svetlana Tkachenko-3
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> you would like to add another package

StepChat

Like much of Etoile stuff, I understand that StepChat must be compiled with clang and requires a clang-compiled GNUstep, and I would like to see all this stuff in Debian someday (I am still in the process of working out how they may handle it without breaking the rest of their system).

This may be a dumb question, but would we be okay if Debian started compiling _all_ GNUstep packages with clang instead of gcc, or would we prefer if they had both clang and gcc packages?

Svetlana

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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

p.o.roussel
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On Wed, Jun 03, 2015 at 01:14:05PM +0200, Philippe Roussel wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I updated packages for sid (amd64), trusty (amd64) and wheezy (i386
> and amd64). Packages are built with the available clang and libobjc2
> (called libobjcgs).
>
> Please note that I haven't tested any of this yet.
>
> Packages list (some may be missing):

I just pushed out netclasses, talksoup, corebase and batmon (which
didn't build for one architecture, I have to investigate).

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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

p.o.roussel
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On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 09:25:28PM +1000, Svetlana A. Tkachenko wrote:

> > you would like to add another package
>
> StepChat
>
> Like much of Etoile stuff, I understand that StepChat must be
> compiled with clang and requires a clang-compiled GNUstep, and I would
> like to see all this stuff in Debian someday (I am still in the
> process of working out how they may handle it without breaking the
> rest of their system).    
>
> This may be a dumb question, but would we be okay if Debian started
> compiling _all_ GNUstep packages with clang instead of gcc, or would
> we prefer if they had both clang and gcc packages?

I'd say you should talk to debian about that, I think no one here
would mind if everything still works.

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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

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On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 05:06:59PM +0200, Philippe Roussel wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 03, 2015 at 01:14:05PM +0200, Philippe Roussel wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I updated packages for sid (amd64), trusty (amd64) and wheezy (i386
> > and amd64). Packages are built with the available clang and libobjc2
> > (called libobjcgs).
> >
> > Please note that I haven't tested any of this yet.
> >
> > Packages list (some may be missing):
>
> I just pushed out netclasses, talksoup, corebase and batmon (which
> didn't build for one architecture, I have to investigate).

Fixed performance library, added sqlclient and mpdcon.

Philippe
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