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Steven R. Baker
Heya,

I'm trying to find the GNUMail sources, but collaboration-world is down.
collaboration-world seems to be the home for a bunch of GNUstep
projects, is this going to cause a wide problem?!

Cheers!

-Steven

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Re: GNUMail sources

Germán Arias-3
El mar, 17-05-2016 a las 19:01 +0200, Steven R. Baker escribió:

> Heya,
>
> I'm trying to find the GNUMail sources, but collaboration-world is down.
> collaboration-world seems to be the home for a bunch of GNUstep
> projects, is this going to cause a wide problem?!
>
> Cheers!
>
> -Steven
>

Hi Steven

Currently a fork of GNUMail are hosted here:

http://gna.org/projects/gnustep-nonfsf

and the website is this:

http://home.gna.org/gnustep-nonfsf/gnumail.html

The development of this fork is slow. But its intention is maintain
alive this app.

Germán



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Re: GNUMail sources

Riccardo Mottola-5
Hi,

Germán Arias wrote:

> Hi Steven
>
> Currently a fork of GNUMail are hosted here:
>
> http://gna.org/projects/gnustep-nonfsf
>
> and the website is this:
>
> http://home.gna.org/gnustep-nonfsf/gnumail.html
>
> The development of this fork is slow. But its intention is maintain
> alive this app.

we imported in this repository only pantomime and gnumail, not other
projects.
We are undergoing a very slow and cautionary fix and update of the code.
I believe the current code is bettery in eevery way than the original
code and does not introduce new issues.
Still, depending on your usage GNUMail can be usable or not.
It should work pretty well with a standard POP and a SMTP without
authentication though.
NetBSD support was added since the work as well as many improvements.

If you have isseus, let's discuss them, but there are some which I do
not know how to fix.
Which other apps are you  missing?

Riccardo

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Re: GNUMail sources

Steven R. Baker
On Thu, May 19, 2016, at 12:38 AM, Riccardo Mottola wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Germán Arias wrote:
> > Hi Steven
> >
> > Currently a fork of GNUMail are hosted here:
> >
> > http://gna.org/projects/gnustep-nonfsf
> >
> > and the website is this:
> >
> > http://home.gna.org/gnustep-nonfsf/gnumail.html
> >
> > The development of this fork is slow. But its intention is maintain
> > alive this app.
>
> we imported in this repository only pantomime and gnumail, not other
> projects.
> We are undergoing a very slow and cautionary fix and update of the code.
> I believe the current code is bettery in eevery way than the original
> code and does not introduce new issues.
> Still, depending on your usage GNUMail can be usable or not.
> It should work pretty well with a standard POP and a SMTP without
> authentication though.
> NetBSD support was added since the work as well as many improvements.

Perfect, thanks!

> If you have isseus, let's discuss them, but there are some which I do
> not know how to fix.
> Which other apps are you  missing?

Great question, and thank you for asking! There is a rather long and
complicated answer here.

About a year ago I gave up my Macs to return to ThinkPads running
Debian. At the time of leaving the Mac, I was using the built-in stuff,
plus Things, DEVONthink, and VoodooPad. So I'm looking for replacements
of all of that. I've been struggling a lot with where to land, and
contribute my efforts. I've spend some time on GNOME, KDE, and have even
dabbled in Enlightenment land, to see what can provide everything I'm
looking for *and* be an enjoyable place to contribute. So far I have
found pros and cons, but I think I'm going to be happiest in GNUstep
land.

(A brief not on my experience: I cut my teeth on Unix-y GUI programming
on NeXTstep, and loved it, before doing GTK+ stuff until buying a Mac in
2006. As a Mac user I worked on some Mac and iOS apps before giving up
Macs about a year ago.)

I really miss the quantity and quality of what I'll broadly refer to as
"Productivity Apps" on the Mac, and my life is considerably less chaotic
and crazy when I'm a Mac user with a great suite of productivity
applications. But I hate myself for supporting the closed, proprietary,
unsustainable technology category. And, I find it hard to get "real
work" done on a Mac.

My first order of business is to get good replacements for AddressBook,
Calendar, and Mail from OS X. I am currently working on some UI
improvements to SimpleAgenda, and after that I'll focus on
CardDav/CalDav support. The only thing I'm missing from GNUmail is IMAP
IDLE support, which I'll have to figure out how to add to Pantomime, I
guess. And some form of Sieve filter management.

I've also started (slowly) working on an app I'm calling "Tickler" which
will be a GTD app (using TaskWarrior as a backend). Once that's usable,
I'll probably be hooked for life. I have a few small projects I want to
explore: an MTP browser for talking to my Android phone, NewsBlur
support for Grr, a few dock apps for laptop-related things. And figuring
out why Terminal.app flips its pancakes over Swedish characters in
filenames.

So, it's a balancing act for me: have a well organized and happy
personal life, with a miserable and unproductive working life, or have a
happy and productive working life, with a miserable, chaotic, and
stressful personal life. *If* I can take my Debian system with GNUstep
installed and add a nice GTD app, as well as calendar/contact syncing
with my Fastmail.fm account, then GNUstep will have gained a developer
and friend for life. If, however, I get too stressed out and decide to
forego my freedom-respecting morals in favour of shiny fruit-flavoured
hardware and software, I'm sure I'll find some way to justify that to
myself too.

As I'm sure you'll understand, this takes time and patience, and while I
have both in spades right now, it may not last. The quick responses on
the GNUstep mailing lists is certainly encouraging. Of course, I intend
to share my knowledge and work as I go.

Cheers!

-Steven
 
> Riccardo

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Re: GNUMail sources

Riccardo Mottola-5
Hi Steven

Steven R. Baker wrote:
>
>> If you have isseus, let's discuss them, but there are some which I do
>> not know how to fix.
>> Which other apps are you  missing?
> Great question, and thank you for asking! There is a rather long and
> complicated answer here.

I actually intended to ask "what other apps of collaboration world" are
you missing.
The fact that we miss a lot of stuff in GNUstep is a fact! Also, as your
list shows, everybody has its personal preferences.


>
> About a year ago I gave up my Macs to return to ThinkPads running
> Debian. At the time of leaving the Mac, I was using the built-in stuff,
> plus Things, DEVONthink, and VoodooPad. So I'm looking for replacements
> of all of that. I've been struggling a lot with where to land, and
> contribute my efforts. I've spend some time on GNOME, KDE, and have even
> dabbled in Enlightenment land, to see what can provide everything I'm
> looking for *and* be an enjoyable place to contribute. So far I have
> found pros and cons, but I think I'm going to be happiest in GNUstep
> land.

One of my goals with GNUstep has always been to have a ThinkPad (and the
old Vista and ThinkCentres) running it and make a workstation or laptop
as NeXT would have done it. That is Mac, without all the gizmo :)
Especially since nowadays Macs are little more than PCs and Mac (and
Windows) went down the route of being tabletized/phoneized more and more.

>
> I really miss the quantity and quality of what I'll broadly refer to as
> "Productivity Apps" on the Mac, and my life is considerably less chaotic
> and crazy when I'm a Mac user with a great suite of productivity
> applications. But I hate myself for supporting the closed, proprietary,
> unsustainable technology category. And, I find it hard to get "real
> work" done on a Mac.
>
> My first order of business is to get good replacements for AddressBook,
> Calendar, and Mail from OS X. I am currently working on some UI
> improvements to SimpleAgenda, and after that I'll focus on
> CardDav/CalDav support. The only thing I'm missing from GNUmail is IMAP
> IDLE support, which I'll have to figure out how to add to Pantomime, I
> guess. And some form of Sieve filter management.

I have no clue what IMAP IDLE is, but IMAP support in GNUmail works, but
is not totally stable. When there are faults, the application crashes
instead of recovering. Before adding new features to GNUMail, I'd like
to stabilize it and clean up its code. It is a slow in-progress process.

You should use Addresses from GAP, which had a bit of fixes.

>
> I've also started (slowly) working on an app I'm calling "Tickler" which
> will be a GTD app (using TaskWarrior as a backend). Once that's usable,
> I'll probably be hooked for life. I have a few small projects I want to
> explore: an MTP browser for talking to my Android phone, NewsBlur
> support for Grr, a few dock apps for laptop-related things. And figuring
> out why Terminal.app flips its pancakes over Swedish characters in
> filenames.

No clue what you are mentioning there... however it is ironic what you
say about Terminal, since the original Author is swedish. Sadly he
doesn't contribute to it anymore.
I hope you are using Terminal from GAP.

> As I'm sure you'll understand, this takes time and patience, and while I
> have both in spades right now, it may not last. The quick responses on
> the GNUstep mailing lists is certainly encouraging. Of course, I intend
> to share my knowledge and work as I go.

It has been 13 years I am working on more and more apps, getting them to
work and keeping them up to date.
Nice that you have enthusiasm, is it needed, because the task is immense :)
You will also understand when you check out the "vastity" of apps there
that stabilizing them is an humongous task. I would rpefer several of
them to have solid foundations before adding stuff...

So Check out what's around. If you are using Debian packages, remember
several of them are very old and unstable. Eric Heintzmann is perhaps
updating them and that would be very welcome!

Generally my compromise would be to have "less" but "something that
works". My feeling of many Mac apps is that they are full of bells and
whistles.
I do lack a bit the integrated Mac experience when i am on my
GNUstep-ized environments.

Riccardo

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Re: GNUMail sources

Steven R. Baker
On Thu, May 19, 2016, at 08:08 PM, Riccardo Mottola wrote:

> Hi Steven
>
> Steven R. Baker wrote:
> >
> >> If you have isseus, let's discuss them, but there are some which I do
> >> not know how to fix.
> >> Which other apps are you  missing?
> > Great question, and thank you for asking! There is a rather long and
> > complicated answer here.
>
> I actually intended to ask "what other apps of collaboration world" are
> you missing.
> The fact that we miss a lot of stuff in GNUstep is a fact! Also, as your
> list shows, everybody has its personal preferences.

Whoops!
 

>
> >
> > About a year ago I gave up my Macs to return to ThinkPads running
> > Debian. At the time of leaving the Mac, I was using the built-in stuff,
> > plus Things, DEVONthink, and VoodooPad. So I'm looking for replacements
> > of all of that. I've been struggling a lot with where to land, and
> > contribute my efforts. I've spend some time on GNOME, KDE, and have even
> > dabbled in Enlightenment land, to see what can provide everything I'm
> > looking for *and* be an enjoyable place to contribute. So far I have
> > found pros and cons, but I think I'm going to be happiest in GNUstep
> > land.
>
> One of my goals with GNUstep has always been to have a ThinkPad (and the
> old Vista and ThinkCentres) running it and make a workstation or laptop
> as NeXT would have done it. That is Mac, without all the gizmo :)
> Especially since nowadays Macs are little more than PCs and Mac (and
> Windows) went down the route of being tabletized/phoneized more and more.
>
> >
> > I really miss the quantity and quality of what I'll broadly refer to as
> > "Productivity Apps" on the Mac, and my life is considerably less chaotic
> > and crazy when I'm a Mac user with a great suite of productivity
> > applications. But I hate myself for supporting the closed, proprietary,
> > unsustainable technology category. And, I find it hard to get "real
> > work" done on a Mac.
> >
> > My first order of business is to get good replacements for AddressBook,
> > Calendar, and Mail from OS X. I am currently working on some UI
> > improvements to SimpleAgenda, and after that I'll focus on
> > CardDav/CalDav support. The only thing I'm missing from GNUmail is IMAP
> > IDLE support, which I'll have to figure out how to add to Pantomime, I
> > guess. And some form of Sieve filter management.
>
> I have no clue what IMAP IDLE is, but IMAP support in GNUmail works, but
> is not totally stable. When there are faults, the application crashes
> instead of recovering. Before adding new features to GNUMail, I'd like
> to stabilize it and clean up its code. It is a slow in-progress process.

I completely agree. Do you have an issue tracker with known bugs? I'd
like to exercise these and help where I can.

IMAP IDLE is basically "push" support; leaves a socket open, and lets
the client know when changes happen.

> You should use Addresses from GAP, which had a bit of fixes.

Will look. Thanks!

> >
> > I've also started (slowly) working on an app I'm calling "Tickler" which
> > will be a GTD app (using TaskWarrior as a backend). Once that's usable,
> > I'll probably be hooked for life. I have a few small projects I want to
> > explore: an MTP browser for talking to my Android phone, NewsBlur
> > support for Grr, a few dock apps for laptop-related things. And figuring
> > out why Terminal.app flips its pancakes over Swedish characters in
> > filenames.
>
> No clue what you are mentioning there... however it is ironic what you
> say about Terminal, since the original Author is swedish. Sadly he
> doesn't contribute to it anymore.
> I hope you are using Terminal from GAP.

I'll test against the GAP one. It might be a font issue.

> > As I'm sure you'll understand, this takes time and patience, and while I
> > have both in spades right now, it may not last. The quick responses on
> > the GNUstep mailing lists is certainly encouraging. Of course, I intend
> > to share my knowledge and work as I go.
>
> It has been 13 years I am working on more and more apps, getting them to
> work and keeping them up to date.
> Nice that you have enthusiasm, is it needed, because the task is immense
> :)
> You will also understand when you check out the "vastity" of apps there
> that stabilizing them is an humongous task. I would rpefer several of
> them to have solid foundations before adding stuff...

Couldn't agree more. My specific expertise is in automated testing, so
I'm going to certainly focus on some of that.

> So Check out what's around. If you are using Debian packages, remember
> several of them are very old and unstable. Eric Heintzmann is perhaps
> updating them and that would be very welcome!
>
> Generally my compromise would be to have "less" but "something that
> works". My feeling of many Mac apps is that they are full of bells and
> whistles.
> I do lack a bit the integrated Mac experience when i am on my
> GNUstep-ized environments.

Agree, this is one bit I'd like to focus on.

-Steven

> Riccardo

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Re: GNUMail sources

p.o.roussel
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Hi

Le 19/05/2016 15:27, Steven R. Baker a écrit :

>
> My first order of business is to get good replacements for AddressBook,
> Calendar, and Mail from OS X. I am currently working on some UI
> improvements to SimpleAgenda, and after that I'll focus on
> CardDav/CalDav support. The only thing I'm missing from GNUmail is IMAP
> IDLE support, which I'll have to figure out how to add to Pantomime, I
> guess. And some form of Sieve filter management.

Please send me any improvement on SimpleAgenda you make or better yet, a
merge request on
GitHub (https://github.com/poroussel/simpleagenda). I haven't worked on
it for a long time but
any contribution will make me happy !

Thanks,
Philippe


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Re: GNUMail sources

Svetlana Tkachenko-3
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> I've also started (slowly) working on an app I'm calling "Tickler" which
> will be a GTD app (using TaskWarrior as a backend). Once that's usable,
> I'll probably be hooked for life.

What a neat idea. And nice to see you writing that stuff.
Please release your code anytime, finished or not; it could be even
easier for me to read it while it's small.

--
Svetlana A. Tkachenko
Member of the Free Software Foundation
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